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Kevin Willmott

Filmmaker and screenwriter Kevin Willmott was born on August 31, 1958 in Junction City, Kansas. After he attended Junction City High School and St. Xavier Catholic High School, Willmott received his B.A. degree in drama from Marymount College in Salina, Kansas in 1981. He went on to receive his M.F.A. in dramatic writing from New York University, Tisch School of the Arts in 1988.

Willmott worked as a peace and civil rights activist in Junction City, Kansas in between college and graduate school. After receiving his M.F.A. degree, he returned to Kansas to begin working on his first film, Ninth Street, which he directed, wrote, produced, and acted in. Ninth Street, which starred Martin Sheen and Isaac Hayes, premiered in 1999; and, in 2000, Willmott joined the Department of Film and Media Studies at the University of Kansas, teaching screenwriting, the history of African American images and film, anti-war and Blaxploitation films. The same year, he served as a writer for the NBC miniseries, The 70s. Willmott went on to direct and write the mockumentary C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America, which was released in 2004, and direct, write, and produce the film Bunker Hill, which was released in 2008. His film The Only Good Indian, which he directed and produced, premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in 2009. In 2013, Willmott’s films Destination: Planet Negro! and Jayhawkers were both released. He also served as a writer on Spike Lee’s film Chi-Raq and as a screenwriter on Lee’s film BlacKkKlansman, which premiered in 2015 and 2018, respectively. In 2019, Willmott began working on the film Da 5 Bloods with Spike Lee, the film The 24th, and the documentary I, Too, Sing America: Langston Hughes Unfurled.

In 2009, Willmott was named Best Director at the American Indian Film Festival for his work on The Only Good Indian. In 2019, he received an Oscar and a British Academy of Film and Television Arts (BAFTA) Award for Best Adapted Screenplay for BlacKkKlansman.

Willmott and his wife, Becky Willmott, reside in Lawrence, Kansas.

Kevin Willmott was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on November 8, 2019.

Accession Number

A2019.125

Sex

Male

Interview Date

11/8/2019

Last Name

Willmott

Maker Category
Marital Status

Married

Middle Name

Lamar

Occupation
Organizations
Schools

Junction City Junior/Senior High School

St. Xavier Catholic High School

Marymount College

New York University Tisch School of the Arts

Lincoln Elementary School

First Name

Kevin

Birth City, State, Country

Junction City

HM ID

WIL95

Favorite Season

Summer and Fall

State

Kansas

Favorite Vacation Destination

Spain

Favorite Quote

You Know

Speakers Bureau Region State

Kansas

Birth Date

8/31/1958

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

Lawrence

Country

USA

Favorite Food

Hamburgers

Short Description

Filmmaker and screenwriter Kevin Willmott (1958- ) began filmmaking in 1991. He co-wrote the 2015 film Chi-Raq with Spike Lee and received an Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay for his work as a screenwriter on Lee’s 2018 film BlacKkKlansman.

Employment

Ninth Street

University of Kansas

The 70s

C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America

Chi-Raq

High Tech Lincoln

Bunker Hill

The Only Good Indian

Destination: Planet Negro!

Jayhawkers

BlacKkKlansman

Favorite Color

Khaki

Andrew Williams

Electrical and computer engineer Andrew B. Williams was born in Junction City, Kansas to parents John M. Williams and Yuson Kim Williams. After receiving his B.S. degree in electrical engineering from the University of Kansas in 1988, Williams worked briefly in engineering. He then enrolled in Marquette University and graduated from there in 1995 with his M.S. degree in electrical and computer engineering. Williams was awarded a GEM doctoral fellowship to attend the University of Kansas where he went on to earn his Ph.D. degree in electrical engineering with an emphasis on artificial intelligence (AI) in 1999. He was the first African American to graduate from the University of Kansas with a Ph.D. degree in electrical engineering.

In 1999, Williams was appointed as an assistant professor in the electrical and computer engineering department at the University of Iowa where he started RAMP-IT, a computer and robotics day camp for underrepresented students. After arriving at Spelman College in 2004 as an assistant professor in the computer and information sciences department, Williams founded the SpelBots, the first African American women’s competitive robotics team to compete in the international RoboCup. In 2005, his team successfully competed in the RoboCup U.S. Open and qualified for the International RoboCup championship in Osaka, Japan. Williams took a sabbatical from Spelman College in 2008 when Apple, Inc. Co-Founder and CEO Steve Jobs appointed him as Apple’s first senior engineering diversity manager. Williams returned to Spelman College from 2010 to 2012 to serve as chair of its computer and information science department. He also served as the primary co-founder on several other projects in order to broaden participation for minorities in STEM education, such as the Advancing Robotics Technology for Societal Impact (ARTSI) alliance, the Advancing Spelman’s Participation in Informatics Research and Education (ASPIRE) project, and the Computer and Robotics for African American Students (CARE) project. Williams’ book, Out of the Box: Building Robots, Transforming Lives (2009), chronicles his work in STEM education. In 2012, Williams was appointed as a tenured full professor and the John P. Raynor, S.J., Distinguished Chair of Electrical & Computer Engineering at Marquette University. He also became the founding director of Marquette University’s Humanoid Engineering & Intelligent Robotics (HEIR) Laboratory.

Williams and his SpelBots have been featured in media publications and outlets such as CNN American Morning, CBS Evening News, Black Enterprise magazine, JET magazine Ebony magazine, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, and the Atlanta Daily World. Not only was Williams individually recognized by Black Money magazine as one of the “50 Most Important African Americans in Technology” in 2010, 2011, and 2012, but he is also received the GEM Consortium Alumni Mentoring Award and the Marquette University Young Engineering Alumni Award. Williams and his wife, Anitra Williams, have three children: John Williams, Adrianna Williams, and Rosa Williams.

Andrew B. Williams was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on April 9, 2013.

Accession Number

A2013.107

Sex

Male

Interview Date

4/6/2013

Last Name

Williams

Maker Category
Middle Name

B.

Occupation
Organizations
Schools

University of Kansas

Marquette University

Search Occupation Category
First Name

Andrew

Birth City, State, Country

Junction City

HM ID

WIL62

Favorite Season

Spring

State

Kansas

Favorite Vacation Destination

Saint Lucia

Favorite Quote

Success is never final. Failure is seldom fatal. It's courage that counts. - Winston Churchill

Bio Photo
Speakers Bureau Region State

Wisconsin

Interview Description
Birth Date

11/10/1964

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

Milwaukee

Country

USA

Favorite Food

Bulgogi

Short Description

Electrical engineer Andrew Williams (1964 - ) the first African American to graduate from the University of Kansas with a Ph.D. degree in electrical engineering and founder of the SpelBots, the first African American women’s team to compete in the International RoboCup Championships. He is also the John P. Raynor Distinguished Chair of Electrical & Computer Engineering at Marquette University.

Employment

Marquette University

Spelman College

Apple, Inc.

University of Iowa

University of Kansas

General Electric Company

Allied Signal Aerospace Co.

Favorite Color

Blue

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DAStories

Tape: 1 Story: 1 - Slating of Andrew Williams' interview

Tape: 1 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams lists his favorites

Tape: 1 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams describes his mother's family background

Tape: 1 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams talks about his mother

Tape: 1 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams talks about his father's family background

Tape: 1 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams talks about his paternal grandfather

Tape: 1 Story: 7 - Andrew Williams describes his father growing up in the Great Depression

Tape: 1 Story: 8 - Andrew Williams details his father's time in the U.S. Army

Tape: 1 Story: 9 - Andrew Williams talks about his father's reaction to racism

Tape: 1 Story: 10 - Andrew Williams describes how his parents met

Tape: 2 Story: 1 - Andrew Williams talks about the difference in age of his parents

Tape: 2 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams describes his earliest memory

Tape: 2 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams describes his parents' personalities and who he takes after

Tape: 2 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams describes his siblings and his parents

Tape: 2 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams talks about growing up poor in Junction City, Kansas

Tape: 2 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams talks about his childhood interest in engineering

Tape: 2 Story: 7 - Andrew Williams talks about the infamy of Junction City, Kansas

Tape: 2 Story: 8 - Andrew Williams describes Junction City, Kansas

Tape: 2 Story: 9 - Andrew Williams describes the sights, sounds, and smells of his childhood

Tape: 2 Story: 10 - Andrew Williams talks about his siblings' education and their support of his education

Tape: 2 Story: 11 - Andrew Williams talks about his father's support of his education

Tape: 3 Story: 1 - Andrew Williams talks about racism in Kansas

Tape: 3 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams talks about joining the Free Methodist Church pt. 1

Tape: 3 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams talks about joining the Free Methodist Church pt. 2

Tape: 3 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams talks about his parents' challenges due to their interracial marriage

Tape: 3 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams talks about his elementary school

Tape: 3 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams describes his childhood science experiments

Tape: 3 Story: 7 - Andrew Williams describes his first experience with computers

Tape: 3 Story: 8 - Andrew Williams talks about basketball

Tape: 3 Story: 9 - Andrew Williams describes getting his first computer and computer education in high school

Tape: 3 Story: 10 - Andrew Williams talks about his interest in engineering

Tape: 4 Story: 1 - Andrew Williams describes his decision to attend the University of Kansas

Tape: 4 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams talks about his college counseling in high school

Tape: 4 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams describes his high school math courses

Tape: 4 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams talks about his extracurricular activities in high school

Tape: 4 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams describes the lack of college mentoring from his parents

Tape: 4 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams recalls visiting the University of Kansas for a weekend during high school

Tape: 4 Story: 7 - Andrew Williams talks about the Student Counsel for Recruiting, Motivating, Educating Black Engineers at the University of Kansas

Tape: 4 Story: 8 - Andrew Williams describes why it took him five years to graduate from the University of Kansas

Tape: 4 Story: 9 - Andrew Williams talks about his mentors at the University of Kansas

Tape: 5 Story: 1 - Andrew Williams describes his mission trip to Cochabamba, Bolivia

Tape: 5 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams describes working for Allied Signal Aerospace Company

Tape: 5 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams describes going to the University of Kansas for graduate school

Tape: 5 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams talks about being hired by General Electric and transferring to Marquette University

Tape: 5 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams talks about his decision to pursue a doctoral degree

Tape: 5 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams describes why he chose the University of Kansas for his doctoral degree

Tape: 5 Story: 7 - Andrew Williams talks about the personal challenges he faced during his doctorate education

Tape: 6 Story: 1 - Andrew Williams talks about his doctoral dissertation pt. 1

Tape: 6 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams talks about his doctoral dissertation pt. 2

Tape: 6 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams talks about his shift in research from software agents to humanoid robotics

Tape: 6 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams describes how he became a professor at the University of Iowa

Tape: 6 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams talks about the relationship between science and religion

Tape: 6 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams describes his research at the University of Iowa

Tape: 7 Story: 1 - Andrew Williams reflects on the influence of his research on the medical field

Tape: 7 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams describes leaving the University of Iowa to teach at Spelman College

Tape: 7 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams talks about making a Robocup team at Spelman

Tape: 7 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams describes qualifying for the Robocup U.S. Open in 2005

Tape: 7 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams talks about the Spelman robotics team competing in the 2005 Robocup U.S. Open

Tape: 7 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams describes the Spelman robotics team competition in the 2005 International Robocup

Tape: 7 Story: 7 - Andrew Williams talks about the Spelman robotics team tying for the championship match in the 2009 International Robocup

Tape: 7 Story: 8 - Andrew Williams talks about the goal of Robocup

Tape: 8 Story: 1 - Andrew Williams talks about the discrimination the Spelman College robotic team faced in Bremen, Germany

Tape: 8 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams describes his involvement in STEM education while at Spelman College

Tape: 8 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams talks about the grants and other initiatives he was involved in at Spelman College

Tape: 8 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams describes how he was recruited by Apple

Tape: 8 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams describes being Apple's first Senior Engineering Diversity Manager

Tape: 8 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams talks about his book 'Out of the Box: Building Robots, Transforming Lives'

Tape: 8 Story: 7 - Andrew Williams talks about staying in touch with Steve Jobs

Tape: 8 Story: 8 - Andrew Williams explains why he left Spelman College to become a professor at Marquette University

Tape: 9 Story: 1 - Andrew Williams talks about his research on humanoid robotics pt. 1

Tape: 9 Story: 2 - Andrew Williams talks about his research on humanoid robotics pt. 2

Tape: 9 Story: 3 - Andrew Williams talks about the need for underrepresented engineers

Tape: 9 Story: 4 - Andrew Williams reflects on his legacy

Tape: 9 Story: 5 - Andrew Williams talks about his family

Tape: 9 Story: 6 - Andrew Williams talks about he would like to be remembered

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Andrew Williams talks about the Spelman robotics team tying for the championship match in the 2009 International Robocup
Andrew Williams describes getting his first computer and computer education in high school
Transcript
That was in 2005, right, when you went to the international competition? And how many, I mean how--when are the international competitions? Are they every four years or something or every so many years?$$No, they're every, they're every year. So the next year we went to Bremen, Germany and competed. The next year, 2007, we competed--it was at Georgia Tech [Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia], but we just did the, the four legged robot technical challenge. We tied for second in the passing event. And that was a freshman, Whitney O'Banner that was the main contributor on that software. 2008 [2008] we qualified. We had two freshman, Janesa Keels and Jasmine Miller who helped us along with Whitney to qualify for the four legged robot competition in Sugo, China. We ended up not going because of travel concerns. And then the next year in 2009, was the first year that we got the two legged humanoid robots and the league that we competed in was called the standard platform league. They had went from four legged robots where everyone buys their, the same robot and the, the challenge is in programming the AI and so forth in the software. So that year we competed in the Robocup Japan Open and we had five matches against Fukuoka Institute of Technology cause at that time not very many people had the two legged humanoid robots. We were able to get them through a Title Three grant from the government as just part of our--upgrading our computer science curriculum. And we competed against Fukuoka Institute of Technology in Osaka, Japan. Here we are--think it's five years later, or less, and we tied them in the championship match. And it turned out we had to go to a penalty kick shootout and we came this close, this close to beating them. And I don't know what happened, but on the last penalty kick that we had, we thought we were going to make it and one of the judges picked up our robot just before it was about to kick. So we thought that was odd.$$Was that a, a--$$We don't know if that was intentional or not.$$Okay.$$But they said that we ran out of time. But I think what happened is they started the clock too early. So we went to the judges, no, we went to the awards ceremony and you know I heard them calling off the team names and then when they talked about--when it was time for our match, they didn't call our name, you know that we had tied in the championship match. So we were real puzzled and when we went back to the person that organized the, the match for the, you know the humanoid robots. And he, he got upset and raised his voice at me and you know, our social provost for research at the time, Lily McNair was there and the students were there and he's almost like yelling at me. And, and then so we went to the overall organizer and they reluctantly eventually gave us a certificate that said that we tied in the championship match, you know.$$Well what was he yelling about? What was he saying? What was his--$$Well it was, it was interesting because one of the students, Jasmine had been studying Japanese and she said that they were making fun of us. You know the announcer. He was the local organizer. And, but it was in Japanese. And he was saying, you know I don't even really recall what he was saying or if I could understand what he was saying. But it was clearly not appropriate.$$But it was, was his point then that you should not have been able to receive your recognition because you're a African American team of women from the United States?$$Well I don't know that that's why he did it, but it, it--to see women doing things like that--well it's a different culture. So I, I can't tell you exactly why he did that. But it's a, it's a different culture. And then on top of that being African American. And what I told the students was you know, take this is as a learning moment, there's still global racism and sexism and you're trailblazers, you know for young women that are going to come after you. And, and this wasn't the first time, you know, that something like this had happened. When we went to Bremen, Germany to compete. It was around the time the, the soccer World Cup is.$I want to say also about computers was after seeing the computers that my brother used, also his girlfriend, Marian, worked in the, I guess it was called the Computer Building [University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas], I can't remember what it was called. But it had the big mainframe for the campus, and that was the place where you--computer programs were written on punch cards at that mainframe. And people would turn in their punch cards and then they'd run them overnight. And then in little boxes, you know the printout, the results would come on these sheets of paper. But she worked there, so I was, I was fascinated by computers and video games so much so that I started looking to see how I could get my own computer when I was in high school. And my dad, he got laid off, so he got on Social Security. So I think part of my junior year and my senior year I, I got a Social Security check as a dependent of his. So this was enough to buy a computer. So I researched computers, cause there was a magazine called Byte Magazine. And I decided the best one with the, the one with the best graphics and best video games at the time was called Atari. There was Atari 400 and Atari 800, and my first computer that I bought was an Atari 400 and Atari 400 had a flat keyboard, just a membrane, plastic. But I had, had, added onto that a keyboard and one of the reasons why I bought the Atari is they, they had a game called Star Raiders, which was the closest thing to the Star Trek game, but this had really great graphics. So it was like the, the Star Trek game, but with great video graphics, and it would come on a cartridge, a ROM [Read Only Memory] cartridge and you would put it in there.$$What year is this? This is, this is--$$That was probably '82 [1982].$$1982?$$Yeah.$$And you're what, you're in--$$Eleventh grade.$$Eleventh grade.$$Yeah. It was either eleventh grade or my senior year. So and then I, you know, you had the ability to write simple basic programs. And also around that time, it was either my tenth or eleventh grade year, I was put into the gifted program and I think they were just starting to have a gifted program in high school.$$This is at--$$Junction City Senior High School [Junction City, Kansas].$$Okay, okay.$$And all I remember is there was three of us in that class I think. And one was Hispanic and I think the other was a girl. And I remember we had a TRS80 computer. That must have been, thinking that must have been my sophomore year. They had a, a Radio Shack or Tandy TRS80, which some people have called the Trash-80. And we did some computer programs with that and some basic programs. And then our school got some Apple 2es with a little monitors that, you know I guess had the green lettering. And I remember not only doing word processing, but the teacher teaching us how to program. And that must have been around my senior year.$$Now was this a little self-contained Apple?$$No, so that came out later, in '84 [1984], the little self-contained.$$The Apple was.$$The one that was like the little box, the Macintosh. But before that it was just like the keyboard, you know it had the, the main motherboard on it, and then a separate monitor.$$Okay.$$But they were nice looking computers. But I remember Junction City getting those.