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Bettye Jo Harris

Program administrator Bettye Jo Harris was born on February 24, 1934 in Arkansas to Cornelia Kilgore. After graduating from Nevada County Training School in 1950, Harris attended Arkansas Baptist College before transferring to Arkansas Agricultural, Mechanical & Normal (AM&N) College in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. She went on to receive her M.S. degree in public health from the University of Hawai’i at Manoa.

Harris clerked at the Internal Revenue Service in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, before joining the University of Minnesota department of admissions as a clerk. She went on to serve as an administrator for the AM&N College department of agriculture and as a program developer for the University of Hawaii School of Public Health. From 1969 to 1972, Harris and her family lived in Morocco and Tunisia, where Harris’ husband, entomologist Ernest Harris, served as the coordinator of the North Africa Regional Mediterranean Fruit Fly Suppression Program. Harris later joined the Arthritis Foundation Hawaii as a health educator; and, in the 1980s, she served as executive director of the Kalihi-Palama Immigrant Service Center. Harris then became an editor of the Afro Hawaii News, during which she led the campaign to establish the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday in Hawai’i. In the 1990s, she served as executive director of the residential substance abuse treatment center Hina Mauka.

An active member of St. Christopher’s Church, Harris served as deputy Diocese of Hawai’i from 1982 to 2006. She served on the Justice, Peace and Integrity of Creation Committee (JPIC) and finance committee of the Episcopal Church Executive Council. Harris was elected vice president of the Hawaii Diocesan Council in 2000. In 2012, Harris served on the Honolulu African American Film Festival Committee. She also served as the chair of fundraising for the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority.

In 2011, Harris was appointed to the Canon of the Episcopal Church, Dioceses of Hawai’i by Bishop Robert Fitzpatrick. In 2013, she received the Distinguished Service Award for Lifetime Achievement from the NAACP of Hawai’i.

Harris married the late Ernest Harris on April 11, 1953. They had three children: Mark, Tanya, and Greg.

Bettye Jo Harris was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on December 13, 2019.

Accession Number

A2019.141

Sex

Female

Interview Date

12/13/2019

Last Name

Harris

Maker Category
Marital Status

Widow

Middle Name

Jo

Schools

Nevada County Training School

Arkansas Baptist College

AM&N College

University of Hawaii at Manoa

First Name

Bettye

HM ID

HAR56

Favorite Quote

Lord Have Mercy

Speakers Bureau Region State

Hawaii

Birth Date

2/24/1934

Speakers Bureau Region City

Honolulu

Favorite Food

Collard Greens, Ham Hocks, and Corn Bread

Short Description

Program administrator Bettye Jo Harris (1934- ) worked at the University of Minnesota department of admissions, Arkansas Agricultural, Mechanical & Normal College department of agriculture, and the University of Hawaii School of Public Health.

Employment

Spiegal Department Store

Internal Revenue Service

University of Minnesota Admissions

AM&N College Department of Agriculture

Arthritis Foundation Hawaii

Kalihi-Palama Immigrant Service Center

Hina Mauka

Favorite Color

Purple

Loann Honesty King

Educational expert Loann Julia Honesty King was born on December 10, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois to Elizabeth and Edward Honesty. Her brother is Edward F. Honesty, Jr. King attended Englewood High School in Chicago. In 1961, she married Chicago contractor and executive Paul J. King, Jr. They have two adult sons, Paul J. King, III and Timothy J. King. King received her B.A. degree in education in 1963 from Chicago Teachers College (now Chicago State University). She did graduate work at Northeastern Illinois University and received her M.A. degree in inner-city studies in 1971.

King began a highly respected career as a teacher and counselor in the Chicago Public Schools in 1963, and became a program development consultant for the U.S. Department of Education in 1976. Her dedication to youth enrichment continued as she became the Associate Director of Jobs for Youth Chicago in 1980. She also worked as a grant coordinator for the Illinois Community College Board, Malcolm X College and City-Wide College. Committed to the growth of Chicago-area community colleges, King served in several capacities at Olive-Harvey College beginning in 1987, including serving as Dean of Instruction and Dean of Career Programs. She moved on to become Dean of Instruction at Kennedy-King College in 2001, where she also served as Vice President of Student Services and Enrollment Management. She retired from her position as Vice President at Kennedy-King in 2003.

King is a dedicated member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. She was initiated into the Beta Chapter in Chicago in 1959. She serves as Chairman of the International Program Committee and has also authored two editions of a history of the Sorority’s Central Region. She also served the Sorority as National Treasurer and Central Regional Director, among many other positions. She is also a member of The Links, Inc.

King has sat on the boards of numerous community organizations including the Jane Adams Hull House Foundation, Parkway Community House (served as President) and the HRDI (Human Resources Development Institute). She currently serves on the boards of the Chicago Community Trust African American Legacy Initiative (founding member) and Urban Prep Academies, where her son Timothy is the founder and CEO. She has been honored extensively, by organizations such as Ebony Magazine, the U.S. Department of Education, Englewood High School Alumni Hall of Fame, Olive-Harvey College, Kennedy-King College, the American Association of Women in Community Colleges, and the University of South Carolina and Houghton Mifflin.

Loann and her husband established the Loann and Paul King Philanthropic Fund in 2001, with Chicago Community Trust, becoming the Trust’s first family donor advised fund established by African Americans.

King was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on February 6, 2008 as part of the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority’s Centennial Boulé 2008 100 year celebration. Segments of these interviews were used in a DVD entitled A.K.A. Sorority: A Legacy of Supreme Service.

Accession Number

A2008.014

Sex

Female

Interview Date

2/6/2008

5/28/2008

Last Name

King

Maker Category
Marital Status

Married

Middle Name

Honesty

Schools

Chicago State University

Englewood High School

William W. Carter Elementary School

Jacob H. Carruthers Center for Inner City Studies

First Name

Loann

Birth City, State, Country

Chicago

HM ID

KIN12

Favorite Season

Fall

Sponsor

Alpha Kappa Alpha

State

Illinois

Favorite Vacation Destination

Nassau, Bahamas

Bio Photo
Speakers Bureau Region State

Illinois

Interview Description
Birth Date

12/10/1940

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

Chicago

Country

USA

Favorite Food

Hamburgers

Short Description

Program administrator and educator Loann Honesty King (1940 - ) served as a consultant for the Department of Education, and as the Associate Director of Jobs at Youth Chicago. She later become Dean of Instruction and Vice President of Student Services and Enrollment Management at Kennedy-King College.

Employment

Jobs for Youth/Chicago, Inc.

Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.

Chicago Public Schools

Illinois Community College Board

City Colleges of Chicago

Main Sponsor
Main Sponsor URL
Favorite Color

Green, Pink

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DAStories

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609870">Tape: 1 Slating of Loann Honesty King's interview, session 1</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609871">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King lists her favorites</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609872">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King describes her mother's family background, pt. 1</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609873">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King describes her mother's family background, pt. 2</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609874">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King describes her father's background</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609875">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King talks about her brother</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609876">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King remembers her parents' education and employment</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609877">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King describes her neighborhood in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609878">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King remembers her shamrock Halloween costume</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609879">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King describes the sights, sounds and smells of her childhood, session 1</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609880">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King talks about her teenage social activities</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609881">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King remembers Englewood High School in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609882">Tape: 1 Loann Honesty King describes her early personality</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609883">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King recalls matriculating at Chicago Teachers College in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609884">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King describes her introduction to Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609885">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King remembers the Ivy Leaf Pledge Club, pt. 1</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609886">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King remembers the Ivy Leaf Pledge Club, pt. 2</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609887">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King recalls her Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. initiation, pt. 1</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609888">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King recalls her Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. initiation, pt. 2</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609889">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King describes how she met her husband</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609890">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King remembers attending her first boule</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609891">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King describes her early leadership at Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609892">Tape: 2 Loann Honesty King recalls her early teaching career in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609893">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King remembers the Civil Rights Movement in Chicago, Illinois, pt. 1</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609894">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King remembers the Civil Rights Movement in Chicago, Illinois, pt. 2</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609895">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King talks about the assassination of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609896">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King describes her career at Parker High School in Chicago, Illinois, pt. 1</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609897">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King describes her career at Parker High School in Chicago, Illinois, pt. 2</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609898">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King talks about the women's movement</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609899">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King remembers campaigning for Chicago Mayor Harold Washington</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609900">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King describes her graduate work in inner city studies</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609901">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King recalls her decision to run for national treasurer of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609902">Tape: 3 Loann Honesty King remembers her campaign for national treasurer of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609903">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King recalls her election as treasurer of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609904">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King talks about her experiences as treasurer of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609905">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King recalls Supreme Basileus Barbara Kinard Phillips' leadership</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609906">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King talks about Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.'s undergraduate membership</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609907">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King recalls the executive leadership of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609908">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King talks about leadership opportunities in Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609909">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King reflects upon her tenure as treasurer of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609910">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King describes Demetrius Carney's work for Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609911">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King recalls being hired at Jobs for Youth/Chicago, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609912">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King describes her work with the Illinois Community College Board</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609913">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King talks about her sons</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609914">Tape: 4 Loann Honesty King describes her organizational involvement in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609915">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King recalls running for central regional director of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609916">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King describes Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.'s position on hazing</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609917">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King recalls her vision as central regional director of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609918">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King remembers her challenges as central regional director of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609919">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King describes the development of Theta Omega Chapter's community center</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609920">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King remembers her mentors in Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609921">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King talks about the AKArama Foundation, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609922">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King describes her work with Kennedy-King College in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609923">Tape: 5 Loann Honesty King reflects upon her career in education</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609924">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King describes her book, 'Pledged to Remember'</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609925">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King recalls the motivation for writing her book, 'Pledged to Remember'</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609926">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King talks about the second edition of 'Pledged to Remember'</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609927">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King recalls her decision to retire</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609928">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King describes the Extraordinary Service Program</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609929">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King talks about the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. centennial</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609930">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King reflects upon her leadership at Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609931">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King reflects upon her legacy and how she would like to be remembered</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609932">Tape: 6 Loann Honesty King describes her involvement with Chicago Community Trust</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609933">Tape: 7 Slating of Loann Honesty King's interview, session 2</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609934">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King talks about her father's upbringing</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609935">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King describes her paternal grandmother</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609936">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King remembers how her parents met</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609937">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King talks about her maternal great-grandparents</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609938">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King describes her mother's move to Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609939">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King remembers her home life</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609940">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King describes her earliest childhood memories</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609941">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King describes the sights, sounds and smells of her childhood, session 2</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609942">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King remembers her family's holiday traditions</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609943">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King describes her neighbors in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609944">Tape: 7 Loann Honesty King remembers William W. Carter Elementary School in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609945">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King remembers her elementary school conduct</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609946">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King describes her repertoire with her classmates</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609947">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King remembers her father's businesses in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609948">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King describes the Englewood High School building in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609949">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King remembers the birth of her younger brother</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609950">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King recalls her early religious experiences</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609951">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King talks about her early awareness of racism</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609952">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King remembers attending high school football games</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609953">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King recalls her early experiences of racial discrimination</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609954">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King remembers her educational aspirations</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609955">Tape: 8 Loann Honesty King recalls discrimination from her elementary school teacher</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609956">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King remembers the support of her elementary school principal</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609957">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King recalls her decision to attend Chicago Teachers College in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609958">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King describes her early relationship with her husband</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609959">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King recalls her decision to pledge Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609960">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King remembers her experiences with hazing, pt. 1</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609961">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King remembers her experiences with hazing, pt. 2</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609962">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King recalls her experiences at Chicago Teachers College</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609963">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King remembers student teaching at Wendell Phillips High School in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609964">Tape: 9 Loann Honesty King recalls her early experiences in Chicago Public Schools</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609965">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King recalls the student takeover at Parker High School in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609966">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King talks about her disappointment in the Chicago Public Schools</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609967">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King describes the Englewood community in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609968">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King remembers her students</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609969">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King describes the U.S. Department of Education's Triple T program</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609970">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King recalls her work at Jobs for Youth/Chicago, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609971">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King talks about her husband's career</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609972">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King recalls her grant work for the Illinois Community College Board</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609973">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King describes her career with City Colleges of Chicago</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609974">Tape: 10 Loann Honesty King talks about the City Colleges of Chicago</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609975">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King describes her retirement from Kennedy-King College in Chicago, Illinois</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609976">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King talks about receiving the Outstanding First Year Student Advocates Award</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609977">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King describes her friendship with Supreme Basileus Loraine Richardson Green</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609978">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King recalls her early involvement in the Theta Omega Chapter</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609979">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King describes her civic activities with Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609980">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King reflects upon her leadership positions at Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609981">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King talks about the sisterhood of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609982">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King reflects upon her life</a>

<a href="https://da.thehistorymakers.org/story/609983">Tape: 11 Loann Honesty King describes how she would like to be remembered</a>

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Loann Honesty King describes her graduate work in inner city studies
Loann Honesty King describes her book, 'Pledged to Remember'
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I'm going to take you back just a little bit to when you were a consultant for the U.S. Department of Education [U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare; U.S. Department of Education]--$$Okay.$$--in the mid-'70s [1970s]. What did you do in that capacity?$$I was on a panel. It was a grant I guess that was given Northwestern University [Evanston, Illinois], and it was called the Triple T project, and it was the Training of Teacher Trainees [sic.], and they brought together various individuals in education from throughout the country to deal with the issue of whether teachers were being trained properly in these institutions to be able to go out and teach primarily in inner city schools.$$So necessary work.$$Yes. So, I, I participated on many of the discussions in bringing that kind of information, you know, to the table from my perspective and was nominated from the school [Parker High School; Paul Robeson High School, Chicago, Illinois]. Now part of it might have been based on my master's thesis, which had to do with the conspiracy of vocational education in the City of Chicago [Illinois], where I looked into how the vocational schools in the City of Chicago were taking the cream of the crop from the high schools and putting them into vocational career oriented schools as opposed to putting them into college bound education. So, I did a study on that, and that was what I did my master's thesis on.$$What school?$$Northeastern Illinois University, Center for Inner City Studies [Jacob H. Carruthers Center for Inner City Studies, Chicago, Illinois].$$And you got a master's degree in what?$$An M.A., masters of arts in inner city studies.$$Okay, and so this seems pretty revolutionary even using the word conspiracy.$$I know. You know, I--it's just me, 'cause I really thought there was a plan. I mean I really thought, I didn't think it was just by coincidence that this was happening. I really felt this was a deliberate attempt to prevent the best of the best or at least proven academically from going into college careers. Now those schools that were predominately the vocational schools in Chicago at the time of course then began to say how they had these college curriculums, you know, and you could go to college as well because they were offering. But, they were not offering the advanced Englishes and literatures and the advanced math courses that would take to get all these college entrance exams and where you would need to score on the AA- SAT and the ACT scores. So, then why were you doing it, you know. Was it--my idea was it was to primarily get the better student because it was easier to educate the student who was academically achiever than it was the one who was not. So, the general high school, the general ed [general education] high schools were getting the middle to lower graduates, where the vocational schools were getting first choice and selling their schools to these parents who thought this was the place to be.$$And so once you finished your master's thesis, what happened to these ideas? Did anyone sort of listen?$$I, well as I said I think that's part of why I ended up with the Triple T kind of involvement with the Department of Education 'cause I did get called a couple of times to speak to the Department of Education on the issue of this thesis, so I think that's how they got my name; you know how that goes.$$And you finished your master's at Northeastern (simultaneous)--$$(Simultaneous) Yes.$$--in the early '70s [1970s]?$$Yes.$$Seventy-one [1971].$So you authored a book in 1997 focused on the sorority. Tell me about that, what was it called?$$Okay. It was called 'Pledged to Remember: The History of Central Region of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.' ['Pledged to Remember: The History of Central Region,' Loann Julia Honesty King], which is the region I served as central regional director. Now the first edition, there has been two now, but the first edition came about because I had the honor of knowing and being around Loraine Richardson Green, and she used to talk so much about what it was like when she was a member, what it was like when she was supreme, and we would just have conversation after conversation about the sorority. And I said, you know this stuff is too important to miss. Now of course our national history had been documented quite well by Dr. Marjorie Parker [Marjorie Holloman Parker], but it was like the little things --because she was in Chicago [Illinois] and a part of what we considered Central Region. It was the little things about that I felt maybe these are gonna, you know gonna get missed. So, she said, "You know you should right a history book." So, I went to the regional director at the time and I said, "Hey, you know I'd be willing to chair committee to try to put together a history of Central Region and see what comes you know on--of it if you think it's okay with you." Well, the regional director at the time did say, "Sure, fine go right ahead." So it started and it was a labor of love and a project that took approximately four years to really complete because as I got into it there was more and more that I wanted to say to make sure it got documented and chapters participated by submitting their own individual chapter histories to be a part of the book. They had, of course had to be edited so there was some consistency in how they were told. But primarily I wanted to talk about what was going on during the times of the establishment of these chapters and when we first came about and how the evolution of the region took place and what was going on and, and in what kind of atmosphere or environment did these trailblazing, pioneer women go out and establish these chapters and what were they doing on the landscape of the region seen to shape it.