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Jylla Moore Tearte

Business executive and consultant Jylla Moore Tearte was born on April 12, 1954 in Salisbury, North Carolina to Julian Moore and Vera Moore. Tearte graduated from Salisbury High School in 1972, and earned her B.S. degree in mathematics from Livingstone College in 1976. Tearte went on to receive her M.B.A. degree in marketing from Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business in 1978, and her Ph.D. degree in organizational behavior from Benedictine University in 2009. Tearte was also trained as an executive coach at Corporate Coach University.

From 1979 to 1983, Tearte worked as a systems engineer at International Business Machines Corporation (IBM). Tearte was promoted to systems engineering manager in 1983, a position she held until 1996, when she moved to New York City to become IBM’s vice president of operations for the Northeast. In 1997, Tearte became vice president of sales for small and medium business for the Midwest region; and in 1998, she was named vice president of global channels for IBM. While working at IBM, Tearte formed IBM’s employee resource groups. Tearte left IBM in 2000 to found Crystal Stairs, Inc., a consulting and executive coaching service. In 2012, Tearte co-founded the Tearte Family Foundation, and served as chief operations officer of Tearte Associates, Inc. Tearte also authored books on business development, including Due North: Strengthen your Leadership Assets, released in 2002, and Encore Leadership: Transforming Time, Talent and Treasure into a Legacy That Matters, published in 2013.

From 1992 to 1996, Tearte served as the international president of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority. In 1995, she spoke at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China. Tearte received an honorary doctorate from her alma mater, Livingstone College, in 1999 as well as the distinguished alumni award from the National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education in 2000. Tearte’s other honors include the IBM Leadership Award, and induction into the National Association of Business and Professional Women’s Corporate Hall of Fame. In 2014, Tearte was the recipient of the Wally Jones Lifetime Achievement Award from The Consortium for Graduate Study in Management.

Tearte has one daughter, Anjylla Foster.

Jylla Moore Tearte was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on March 6, 2018.

Accession Number

A2018.033

Sex

Female

Interview Date

3/6/2018

Last Name

Tearte

Maker Category
Middle Name

Moore

Organizations
Schools

J.C. Price High School

Livingstone College

Kelley School of Business

First Name

Jylla

Birth City, State, Country

Salsbury

HM ID

TEA03

Favorite Season

Winter

State

North Carolina

Favorite Vacation Destination

All Around the World

Favorite Quote

All That You Do, Do With Your Might. Things Done By Half Are Never Done Right.

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Speakers Bureau Region State

Georgia

Birth Date

4/12/1954

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

Atlanta

Favorite Food

Jumbalaya

Short Description

Business executive and consultant Jylla Moore Tearte (1954 - ) was a senior level employee of IBM for over twenty years. She was also the founder of Crystal Stairs, Incorporated and co-founder of the Tearte Family Foundation.

Employment

Tearte Associates, Inc.

Tearte Family Foundation

Crystal Stairs, Inc.

IBM

Favorite Color

Purple & Royal Blue

Robert Wright

Dimensions International, Inc., founder and chairman emeritus Robert Lee Wright was born on March 17, 1937, in Columbus, Georgia, to a bricklayer and a nurse. After graduating from high school, Wright went on to attend Ohio State University where he became classmates with future world class athletes Bob Ferguson and Mel Noel. Wright graduated in 1960 from Ohio State University College of Optometry with his degree in optometry. He returned to Georgia where he began practicing as an optometrist.

Upon his return home to Georgia, Wright became deeply involved in the Civil Rights Movement. In 1965, he participated in the Selma to Montgomery March. Then, in 1968, Wright’s career interest changed to politics when he was recruited by the Republican Party to run for Columbus City Council. He won and was re-elected three times before being appointed to the position of Associate Administrator for Minority Small Business and Capital Ownership Development by President Ronald Reagan. After two years of working with the Reagan Administration, Wright resigned, and in 1985, he founded Dimensions International, Inc. Through Dimensions International, Wright began providing leading-edge technology to the government and private sector in the fields of systems engineering, information technology, and airspace management. A core subsidiary of Dimensions International is Flight Explorer, the leading provider of web-based global flight tracking information. Under Wright’s leadership, Dimensions International grew to a multimillion dollar defense contractor, listed amongst Black Enterprise’s 100.

Wright was chairman of the National Museum of African American History and Culture, and of the Sub-Saharan Advisory Committee of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. Since 1999, he has been a director of Aflac, Inc. He has received many awards and recognitions, including the 2001 Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award in Technology Services; the Man of the Year of the National Federation of Black Women Business Owners; the 2007 Boy Scouts of America Distinguished Citizen Award; the NAACP Achievement Award; and the Push Excellence Award.

Accession Number

A2008.077

Sex

Male

Interview Date

5/1/2008

Last Name

Wright

Middle Name

Lee

Schools

Spencer High School

Fifth Avenue School

The Ohio State University

First Name

Robert

Birth City, State, Country

Columbus

HM ID

WRI04

Favorite Season

Summer

Sponsor

Richard Holmes

State

Georgia

Favorite Vacation Destination

Rome, Italy

Favorite Quote

What Is, Is.

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Speakers Bureau Region State

New York

Birth Date

3/17/1937

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

New York

Country

United States

Favorite Food

Pudding (Banana)

Short Description

Technology chief executive, civil rights activist, and city council member Robert Wright (1937 - ) was the founder and chairman emeritus of Dimensions International, Inc., a leading information technology and airspace management solutions provider. Wright participated in the Selma to Montgomery March, and worked in the Reagan administration after serving four terms in the Columbus, Georgia, city council.

Employment

Self-Employed

Columbus Council

U.S. Small Business Administration

Dimensions International, Inc.

Main Sponsor
Favorite Color

Blue

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Tape: 1 Story: 1 - Slating of Robert Wright's interview

Tape: 1 Story: 2 - Robert Wright lists his favorites

Tape: 1 Story: 3 - Robert Wright describes his mother's family background

Tape: 1 Story: 4 - Robert Wright describes his mother's community in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 1 Story: 5 - Robert Wright describes his mother's education

Tape: 1 Story: 6 - Robert Wright describes his father's family background

Tape: 1 Story: 7 - Robert Wright describes his parents' personalities, pt. 1

Tape: 1 Story: 8 - Robert Wright describes his parents' personalities, pt. 2

Tape: 2 Story: 1 - Robert Wright describes his father's career in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 2 Story: 2 - Robert Wright describes his earliest childhood memory

Tape: 2 Story: 3 - Robert Wright describes the influence of Fort Benning on Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 2 Story: 4 - Robert Wright describes his neighborhood in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 2 Story: 5 - Robert Wright describes the sights, sounds and smells of his childhood

Tape: 2 Story: 6 - Robert Wright recalls serving on a presidential commission with Hank Aaron

Tape: 2 Story: 7 - Robert Wright describes his early activities in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 2 Story: 8 - Robert Wright describes his early academic interests

Tape: 3 Story: 1 - Robert Wright remembers the Fifth Avenue School in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 3 Story: 2 - Robert Wright remembers William H. Spencer High School in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 3 Story: 3 - Robert Wright recalls his favorite music from his youth

Tape: 3 Story: 4 - Robert Wright recalls his early experiences of watching television

Tape: 3 Story: 5 - Robert Wright remembers racial discrimination in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 3 Story: 6 - Robert Wright recalls his decision to attend The Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio

Tape: 3 Story: 7 - Robert Wright remembers his studies at The Ohio State University

Tape: 3 Story: 8 - Robert Wright recalls his community at The Ohio State University, pt. 1

Tape: 4 Story: 1 - Robert Wright recalls his community at The Ohio State University, pt. 2

Tape: 4 Story: 2 - Robert Wright recalls returning to Columbus, Georgia after college

Tape: 4 Story: 3 - Robert Wright recalls his optometry practice in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 4 Story: 4 - Robert Wright describes his civil rights and political activities

Tape: 4 Story: 5 - Robert Wright recalls joining the Republican Party in Columbus, Georgia

Tape: 4 Story: 6 - Robert Wright recalls his work with Republican politicians in the South

Tape: 4 Story: 7 - Robert Wright remembers serving on the U.S. Small Business Administration

Tape: 4 Story: 8 - Robert Wright describes the growth of the U.S. Small Business Administration

Tape: 5 Story: 1 - Robert Wright describes his achievements at the U.S. Small Business Administration

Tape: 5 Story: 2 - Robert Wright remembers founding Dimensions International, Inc.

Tape: 5 Story: 3 - Robert Wright describes his career at Dimensions International, Inc.

Tape: 5 Story: 4 - Robert Wright describes his achievements in business

Tape: 5 Story: 5 - Robert Wright describes his philanthropy

Tape: 5 Story: 6 - Robert Wright describes his hopes for the African American community

Tape: 5 Story: 7 - Robert Wright reflects upon his life

Tape: 5 Story: 8 - Robert Wright reflects upon his legacy

Tape: 5 Story: 9 - Robert Wright reflects upon his family

Tape: 5 Story: 10 - Robert Wright describes how he would like to be remembered

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Robert Wright describes his achievements at the U.S. Small Business Administration
Robert Wright remembers founding Dimensions International, Inc.
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Now you were at the SBA [U.S. Small Business Administration] for two years. We were mentioning off-screen Sonicraft [Sonicraft, Inc., Chicago, Illinois] as being one of the--in Chicago [Illinois] as being one of the minority-owned businesses that you helped fund, you know. And quite a few businesses got big contracts, you know.$$Oh, yeah, yeah, quite a few businesses got huge contracts and, you know, I was instrumental in trying to get some of those contracts. The idea being if you get the contract, you can hire the people, you can bring the expertise, you can grow a business, you can make that business competitive so that when you can't bid for these or get these kind of contracts, you have a, a good foundation in which to grow your business on a competitive basis. That was the whole idea. We provide management, technical assistance. In some instances, we provided equipment to firms, so it was a great opportunity in my opinion for minority businesses to really get a step up.$$So the rewarding of contracts based largely on the management capacity of the business and what it's able to--$$Yeah, to a great extent and expertise to be able to handle the work. You, now, we wouldn't give a contract to make a, a highly technical electronic gadget to a guy who's a barber. That's not his expertise. Not taking anything away from that profession, but it's just not his expertise. But--so, the people that got contracts should've had some type of background that would lend itself to the contract that they were getting, either by having worked for someone else, having the degrees in that, or having a business that had grown up in that industry. Which is interesting because ultimately what I did in my business [Dimensions International, Inc.] is totally different from what I was trained to do (laughter).$$Right. It was--I was listening to you talk, I say, well, now. So, but, now, now you were, you were at SBA for two years.$$I was.$Now, what happened that you decided to--was it--and I guess I'm, you know--now, I'm thinking as I'm hearing you tell this story, so you're awarding these million dollar contracts to people and you see what it takes to get these contracts, and you're working on a government salary. You're thinking, well, heck, if I can get on the other side of this--is that what you thought?$$No, that was not my driver when I started Dimensions [Dimensions International, Inc.]. As a matter of fact, when I left the government I did not start Dimensions right away. I had no intentions for going into the government contracting business. I became a consultant to try to continue to help other firms get government business, try to help other firms get through the maze of the SBA [U.S. Small Business Administration] machinery so to speak. So I had, no, no, no--so I wasn't motivated by, oh, that's the way they're doing it, let me get out and do it to. But, I started a consulting business and at some point in time I got--I had several clients but unfortunately they all didn't pay me and that created--that was--presented problems for me. I'm going out helping a guy get a contract and, you know, and I'm need to be paid or help to do some marketing, or open a door and, or whatever. And, so I decided, well, maybe I need to look at this a different way. So, it was at least two years after I left the government before I really started, you know, taking a look at the government in terms of an opportunity for myself.$$Okay, so by 1984, I guess, then that you--so, well, really you started Dimensions International in '85 [1985] but I guess you started planning, you know (simultaneous)--$$(Simultaneous) Around '85 [1985] is when I really began to change the concept 'cause I started out as Bob Wright and Associates as a consulting firm. But then I began to--took on a new name with a different focus around '85 [1985].$$Okay.$$And that's when I formed Dimensions International, and eventually incorporated as Dimensions International.$$Okay, now what did Dimensions do, basically?$$To start off I was just--I was in management consulting, doing studies, surveys, you know, things like that. And then one day, a firm that had outgrown the 8(a) Program [8(a) Business Development Program], the Shelton Market [ph.] was about to--then I eventually went into the 8(a) Program myself. I'm trying to get my story straight. And I went in as a management consulting firm. Eventually, this firm that was running computers for the [U.S.] Department of Agriculture had outgrown their ability to get this particular computer contract. And they asked me would I become the prime on that contract, they had the expertise and they would become a subcontractor to me. Well, that's a win-win for everybody. It's a win-win for their company because they're able to keep part of the business. It's a win for me because I'm able to get into a business I'm not in already with someone who's in it to provide the expertise. You see what I mean? And so, I was able to get into that contract--

Robert D. Blackwell, Sr.

Corporate executive and technology entrepreneur Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. was born July 28, 1937, in Eastville, Virginia. He attended Rosemont Elementary near his boyhood home of Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, a very wealthy community. Blackwell graduated from Radnor High School in 1955, and went on to Wichita State University on an athletic scholarship, where he played football with future NFL Rookie of the Year running back, Ted Dean. Forced by injuries to leave football, Blackwell came under the guidance of his math teacher, Ms. Fugate, and graduated with a B.A. in psychology in 1966.

In 1966, Blackwell went to work for IBM while the business computer industry was in its infancy. Beginning as a systems engineer, Blackwell was working as an IBM salesman by 1970. He left IBM for a brief period to work in public relations for the State of Kansas. Blackwell then returned to IBM; this time, as director of Greater Chicago Consulting Services. After serving as IBM’s highest-ranking black executive, Blackwell left IBM in 1992 to form Blackwell Consulting with his son, Robert Blackwell, Jr. The younger Blackwell would later form his own entrepreneurial company, Electronic Knowledge Interchange. Based in Chicago, Blackwell Consulting and their nationwide offices offer a range of IT services, from web portal development to networking, messaging systems and workflow applications, generating revenues in excess of $37 million per year.

Blackwell and his wife, Marjilee, live in the Chicago area. He is a board member of the eta Creative Arts Foundation, the Joel Hall Dancers and is a supporter of other non-profit arts organizations and community initiatives. He enjoys spending time with his six grandchildren.

Accession Number

A2003.290

Sex

Male

Interview Date

12/9/2003

Last Name

Blackwell

Maker Category
Marital Status

Married

Middle Name

D.

Organizations
Schools

Rosemont School

Radnor High School

Rosemont School of the Holy Child

Wichita State University

First Name

Robert

Birth City, State, Country

Eastville

HM ID

BLA04

Favorite Season

Fall

State

Virginia

Favorite Vacation Destination

None

Favorite Quote

Now You Understand Me, Right?

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Speakers Bureau Region State

Illinois

Birth Date

7/28/1937

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

Chicago

Country

United States

Favorite Food

Fried Chicken

Short Description

Corporate executive and technology entrepreneur Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. (1937 - ) worked for IBM for many years before forming Blackwell Consulting with his son in 1992. Blackwell Consulting and their nationwide offices offer a range of IT services, generating revenues in excess of $37 million per year.

Employment

IBM

State of Kansas

Blackwell Consulting

Favorite Color

Black

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DAStories

Tape: 1 Story: 1 - Slating of Robert D. Blackwell, Sr.'s interview

Tape: 1 Story: 2 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. lists his favorites

Tape: 1 Story: 3 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his mother's family background, pt. 1

Tape: 1 Story: 4 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his mother's family background, pt. 2

Tape: 1 Story: 5 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his father's family background

Tape: 1 Story: 6 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his mother's personality

Tape: 1 Story: 7 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his mother's views of success

Tape: 1 Story: 8 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his mother's views of the black power movement

Tape: 2 Story: 1 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes how he takes after each of his parents

Tape: 2 Story: 2 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes how his parents met

Tape: 2 Story: 3 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about the influence of Bryn Mawr College on his parents' class mentality

Tape: 2 Story: 4 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about the difference between his father and his maternal grandfather

Tape: 2 Story: 5 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his siblings

Tape: 2 Story: 6 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes the sights, sounds, and smells of his childhood

Tape: 2 Story: 7 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his experience in school and his first understandings of racism

Tape: 2 Story: 8 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about sports and the racism he witnessed outside of Pennsylvania

Tape: 2 Story: 9 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about his experience at the predominately white Radnor High School in Radnor, Pennsylvania

Tape: 3 Story: 1 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about how he was treated by his coaches

Tape: 3 Story: 2 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about enrolling at Wichita State University in Wichita, Kansas

Tape: 3 Story: 3 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his experience at Wichita State University in Wichita, Kansas, pt. 1

Tape: 3 Story: 4 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his experience at Wichita State University in Wichita, Kansas, pt. 2

Tape: 3 Story: 5 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about those he met at Wichita State University in Wichita, Kansas

Tape: 3 Story: 6 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about his interest in psychology and his decision to work for IBM

Tape: 3 Story: 7 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes being offered a position at IBM

Tape: 3 Story: 8 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his experience working for IBM and the State of Kansas

Tape: 3 Story: 9 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. reflects on his career at IBM

Tape: 3 Story: 10 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes how he met his wife and living away from his family

Tape: 4 Story: 1 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about his decision to move to Wheaton, Illinois instead of the South Side of Chicago, Illinois in 1973

Tape: 4 Story: 2 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his job with IBM in Chicago, Illinois and why he left IBM in 1992

Tape: 4 Story: 3 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about starting Blackwell Consulting Services with his son, Robert Blackwell, Jr.

Tape: 4 Story: 4 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes the success of Blackwell Consulting Services

Tape: 4 Story: 5 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his hopes for Blackwell Consulting Services, pt. 1

Tape: 4 Story: 6 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his hopes for Blackwell Consulting Services, pt. 2

Tape: 4 Story: 7 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about his confidence in Blackwell Consulting Services to become a major competitor in computer consulting

Tape: 4 Story: 8 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about the difficulty of training employees at a small firm

Tape: 4 Story: 9 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about Blackwell Consulting Services clients and locations

Tape: 5 Story: 1 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his hopes and concerns for the African American community, pt. 1

Tape: 5 Story: 2 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his hopes and concerns for the African American community, pt. 2

Tape: 5 Story: 3 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. talks about the importance of black arts programs

Tape: 5 Story: 4 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. shares his advice for young African Americans in business

Tape: 5 Story: 5 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. reflects upon his legacy

Tape: 5 Story: 6 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. reflects upon what he would do differently in his life

Tape: 5 Story: 7 - Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes how he would like to be remembered

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Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his experience at Wichita State University in Wichita, Kansas, pt. 1
Robert D. Blackwell, Sr. describes his job with IBM in Chicago, Illinois and why he left IBM in 1992
Transcript
You know, I learned a lot of bad things but I learned a lot of good things. And I was exposed to some things that I had never seen when I got--$$For instance?$$Oh my--a guy that was my roommate, a guy named Howard Stewart [ph.] invited me to come home with him in Tulsa [Oklahoma] and he and I were talking and he said to me, "Man you don't know anything about being black, Bob." And I said-- you know. So he said you have to come home with me and I went home with him and he took me to a football game. Booker T. Washington [High School] versus Okmulgee, Oklahoma and all of sudden I saw this band with these high stepping black girls, I had never seen anything like it in my life. I've never seen so many pretty girls that were African Americans in all my life. I'm just--I mean these stands going, oh my God and that was one and then the funniest story was we couldn't stay in hotels in Oklahoma or Texas when we went to play football so we played Hardin-Simmons University which is Abilene, Texas. You go to Abilene; we can't stay there so I get to stay with a black person at there home. So we're driving down the street and this guy hits this button, now remember this is 1956, hits this button and we see a garage door open. Ted Dean and I said do that again, he hit the button and the garage door came down, I had never seen that in my life and he's laughing, right. And we go in and Ted and I feel the same way, we've never met anybody black who wasn't poor, we didn't know anybody and here we meet this guy in Abilene, Texas that's got this big house, right and a garage door opener. I remember we were thinking to ourselves "wow" and then we went to Houston [Texas] where we played Rice [University]--no we played the University of Houston [Houston, Texas] and we couldn't stay in Houston, we stayed on the campus of Texas Southern [University in Houston, Texas]. So we got to see what Texas--$$Black college?$$Yeah a black college and we got to see what that was like. Then I went down to Tempe, Arizona to play--there you could stay in the hotels, played Arizona State [University] but when the game was over these guys invited me to a party. I wander into the party and there is this, I mean beautiful, beautiful, beautiful black woman who walked over to me and said hi Bob how are you and she said welcome to my home. We were looking around this house; this house must have been 10,000 square feet, right and the (unclear). Tim and I we couldn't believe that we were in this, you know. That people that look like us owned stuff like this, did what these people did and I saw through this thing of playing football and going around and seeing a world that I didn't know existed. You know, because not everybody is taking care of babies, right. Not everybody is doing domestic stuff. There were some people out there doing things and I'd also never seen you know all-black high schools and all of that.$How are things at IBM? What were you-how are you progressing with IBM at that point?$$Oh when I came up here in '73 [1973], I really figured out I wanted to be in management. I really pushed for it and I had a really successful career in IBM. I was-I got a first line manager and a second line manager and I ended up a director at IBM and it was good. I just had a wonderful career at IBM. I love IBM, I still do. I don't work for them anymore but they gave me a chance and they provided me all the training that anyone could ever need. They gave me an opportunity to be who I could be. I wouldn't argue that IBM is perfect, there are lots of imperfections and they have a lot of problems other companies had but when I was there, I was really pleased. They just treated me very well and when I came into this job, I really realized that I really had been well-trained to step out on my own and do the things that I did. So, you know, with me IBM was a wonderful part of my life and still is.$$Okay now you were at IBM when the computer world sort of changed from the big mainframe computers to small PCs [personal computer]--(simultaneous) (unclear).$$That's kind of why I left, yeah.$$Tell us about that. How did that happen?$$Well you know IBM is in what's called the mainframe world and that's what I did. I sold these big boxes for lots of money and we'd done it for years and IBM was, you know, just dominant in every market and I like a lot of other people in IBM thought we were invincible. That there was just nothing that could get in our way but some things did get in our way. We had competition on the mainframes which were getting out of hand and then when the PC came on board, and IBM embraced the PC, the sales force and lots of other people hung on to mainframes for dear life and one thing led to another and IBM's business really, really declined to the point that under the rubric of severance packages right, which are layoffs by any other name. I decided when I walked up on fifty-five that the chances that I was going to survive this downsizing at IBM was very low and I was--I had moved from the hardware to the services business and it was immediately clear to me that in the services business, the barriers--the entry were low and that a smart guy could plan and build the business in services with a little bit of money. So I made plans to get out of IBM and do just that as soon as I retired. So I retired July 31, 1992 and then I started my journey with Blackwell Consulting.