I think you, you mentioned off camera something called the State Sovereignty Commission. Now what, what was that about, and how did they--did they play a role in backing people up from being involved in Civil Rights?$$Oh yes. Now, the State Sovereignty Commission was a watchdog commission, and it, it, it, it watched people that were involved in, in civil rights act--activities, and these people were, were, were targeted. For example, Medgar Evers, the, the--whom I've known all my life, just about all my life, if, if, if you were associated with him in any kind of way, you would likely--you would most likely be, be targeted--Dr. [Felix H.] Dunn, who has a, a very huge file in, in, in the Sovereignty Ca, Ca--Commission, and there are many other people that I can name. And I even got a small file in the Sovereignty Commission, and I, I guess I may have gotten it in there because I knew Medgar Evers. And every time when he was Gulfport [Mississippi], I'd always make it my business to try to talk to him.$$Okay, now what kind of a person was Medgar Evers?$$Oh, he was just a wonderful person. I remember, I remember him from the days at, at, at Jackson State [University in Mississippi]. It was Jackson College then for Colored Teachers then. He, he would always come on the campus out there, and, and he, he would be telling us stories about segregation. Yeah, he'd be talking about it his experiences in the Army, and, and, and, and he would talk about, he would talk about, you know, the inhumanity of, of the white race against the black race. And sometimes it was, it was, it, it, it created quite an awareness of what are those things that are going along. You can see these things. Unless there's somebody to create awareness, you just go access--accept them as a matter of fact. And he was--but he, but he was the kind of person that would do that. But he'd come on the campus, and when he would come on the campus, oh, my, the boys would just crowd around him. Now this is his--he's gonna tell these, the, these, these, these (unclear) stories, and listened to things that he had to say. But then, then the president put out word, "Now any, any, any, any you boys seen, seen around Medgar Evers out there, you gonna be sent home."$$Really, that's, that's pretty strong.$$Yeah, and so, so, so, so pretty soon, you, you're gonna suffer the consequences. It's gonna be some consequences for, for, for, for, for this. And, and of course, the, the, the crowd around Medgar Evers seemed to diminish a little bit because of this warning that was put out. Now, now, now we don't know whether he put out the warning himself. He didn't say it himself.$$Right.$$But somebody else said it. And so we assumed that it came from--the assumption was that it came from him.$$All right, okay, so the president didn't actually sign his name to any kind of thing, just--(simultaneous)--$$No, no, but the word was just out there. We just--$$Where it kind of leaked out.$$Un-huh, that we don't want you around--you gonna be in trouble if you hang around--$$Did they--did they try to ban him from campus at all?$$Oh yes, and he--$$Did they actually tell him that he couldn't--he's not welcome or--$$I, I believe they did, but I'm not quite so sure. I'm not quite so sure, but I, I know he was not a reputable person on the campus there. He, I mean he certainly wasn't a reputable person. He was persona non grata (laughter).$So were you able to--now, here you are, you're a black loan officer at Hancock Bank, and there hasn't been any other black loan officers around here. Lots of black people have--need loans and want loans. And they look at you and you're the only in there. I mean what was--I mean did--I mean were you able to improve the condition of the community by, by being a loan officer at the Hancock Bank, do you think?$$Yeah, what I mean--well, let me go back and say this. My, my, my loan portfolio was not a totally black portfolio. I was able to serve any customer that came in, in, in the bank. It may have been the, the level of respect that they had for me. I hope that's what it (laughter) was, was. And, and then my, my, my portfol--portfolio was--crossed all class lines and all economic lines. I was able to serve all, all, all, all kinds of people. But, but, but basically, I, I think my--it was the majority wa--was with black people came to see, came to see me, they wait, wait in lines for--and I'd feel sorry for 'em a lot of times, and, and in lines for half a day just, just to see me. And, and, and I was able to help people I know that otherwise would not have been able to, to, to, to be helped. And they knew, but they were getting--they felt, too, that they were getting this help because, because of my presence in the bank. And, and I, I did have a very loyal customer base. And they did not want me to fail, the black community for the most part, so they made certain. They paid me when they might have, might have neg-neg-neglected somebody else. But, but they wondered--everybody wondered about the secret of my success, "Why people pay you back. You--what do you have, any special magic or something (laughter)?" No, I think it's because of the mutual respect that we had for each other.$$And that's something I think people in the community need to--that's the kind of story we need to hear more of. I think we get--oftentimes the black communities are maligned for not sticking together or not wanting to help one another become successful. And with the story you just told, it's kind of the opposite of what we, we, we hear so much of, you know, but it's a good, it's a good story, you know, the--$$Well, they made, they made me feel that way, and I, you know, I would tell 'em, I said, "Don't embarrass me (laughter)." And, and I, you know, I want you to become a good customer of the bank. So we had the--and, and, and a lot of these things you can overcome with communication and with, with, with, with really earnest communications. Communicate from the heart.