It's time now to talk about the rodeo now, how you got involved in the rodeo--?$$Well, with the white guy. See, I worked with these people out there in West Texas. See they, the younger boy, he was a clown, he was a clown, see.$$Ed Turner's people?$$Yeah, Ed Turner's people, see. He was a clown, see. Then this other guy, he was, he was something in there, the other brother was older than him, he was something in there. And then Ed was something in the rodeo there. And so we all got to working together. See, then, see, then I wasn't in the contests, but I could ride the exhibition ride, you see. Now, I could ride a bull. I could ride a bareback horse. See, a bull was two dollars. A bareback horse was three dollars, a saddle horse was five dollars. And I used to ride as many of them as I wanted to, as exhibition. See, I couldn't ride in the contest, but I could ride in the exhibition. The colored couldn't, see, and I was the onlyest colored guy out there with 'em, see, all white. And so I, and this, the baby boy, he was a clown. He'd be the clown with the, the cows and things out there on, on the rodeo. You see how the clown do and that. And then they start them, them Brahman bulls, in later years. See, the Brahman--didn't have no Brahman bulls then. They had all ole, just old, it was Texas longhorns. They used to call it Texas longhorns. That's what they used then. But in later years, that, that Brahman bull come in. They shipped him from overseas over here, brought--.$$Brahman is India, right?$$Yeah, brought him over here, the Brahman, and started them like that. See, them Brahman bull is much faster and, and quicker than a, than a regular old Texas bull, see, the Texas longhorn, the ole Texas bull. And boy, they had horns on, oh, three foot long. They said some up here last year. I was, I didn't see none this year cause I wasn't at the parade up there this year. And they called me to Texas, so and I, I worked with those peoples out there on, on the--but I, I'd go there on a Saturday, I'd make more money on a Saturday and Sunday than I make all the month.$$Just riding the bulls and horse?$$Bulls. I'd saddle ride me two bulls--two horses, bareback horses. I didn't have to ride 'em, you just ride out there and jump off of 'em and go back and get me three dollars, go back and get me another one and ride him, and get me three dollars. The bulls come out, I'd ride me a bull; I get two dollars. Go back and get me another one, and ride another one. See, that's four dollars, that's, that's ten dollars I done made. I wouldn't be making but fifteen dollars a, a month. Fifteen back, it was twenty, twenty-eight, and twenty-nine, and so. And that's Saturday and Sunday. You do that twice, twice a week, look what you done made. If you make you, say, six dollars Sunday and six, or six dollars Saturday, and six dollars Sunday, that's twelve dollars. That's, that's one day, that's two days. Now, you got a whole, whole month to go before you get fifteen more dollars off your job, and you do that every Saturday, see, especially this time of year. That's every Saturday clear up until it get cold in, in November. They have that rodeo, exhibition rodeo. That was in the white, do that, out there, out there in West Texas.$$Were there any other black cowboys making that kind of money out there, doing that--?$$Every once in a while, some in the fall of the year, some come out from down in Houston, San Antonio, back down in there. They'd come up there to have a few rides with 'em, you know, out there. They could get some--ride a saddle horse, that's five dollars and bareback horse, three dollars, a bull two dollars, a mule one dollar, all that, just fun, see. Just fun. You didn't have ride 'em. See, I was, I worked with 'em, so I got a chance to make that kind of money, but, but I was the onlyest back out there. Now, they'd come out there to see the show, but they'd be--wasn't nobody in the rodeo but me. Now, every once in a while, they--one might come in there and, and ride him a bull or a horse or something like that, but not regular as I was. See, I was there every, every day, every Sunday and every Saturday. See, I was out there with 'em cause I worked with the peoples that, you know, helped with the rodeo and things like that.$And that night, I was the best-dressed cowboy with this picture here, in that frame up there. Somebody stole the picture, but I still got the, the toffer there, right there. See sitting up in that corner there, see that toffer there, sitting up in there. See, I was the best-dressed cowboy, I won that. And see, there in Fort Worth, now, there in Texas, back in, when I first started working at Sears and Roebuck, down in Texas in forty, '42 , we had that in '43 , down at--that's the mayor, Mayor Justin, John Justin [Jr.], the man that owned the Justin Boot outfit, the Justin boot, the, the boots, that night, that's the mayor of Fort Worth. I'm standing up there, I was the best-dressed cowboy with them guys, see, up there, down there in Texas for Sears Roebuck.$$So you like to dress up in your outfits?$$Oh, yeah, yeah. I just--I come sharp or something when I'm, when I'm round about. You see that little, see, this picture right here. Now, see that was in eighty, eighty--we was having a, we're getting ready to have a cattle drive from Broadway to, to the stock, to the, to the railroad station, down there on 17th Street, right here in Denver. But we was getting that, that morning, we was getting ready to, to get started there. That was the horse--I didn't--.$$Did you participate in that?$$Yeah, I participated, yeah. But they, I didn't have my horse up here. That was another guy's horse I was holding, this other guy, that's his--and, the--but they had me in a buggy. I went in a buggy. They carried me in a buggy down there, rode me down there in a buggy, down to the, to the, to the railroad station. We had a cattle drive down there from, from Broadway, had a bunch of cattle. We drove down there on Broadway, down at, downtown here. And that was back in eighty, eighty-something, eighty, '87 , I believe, something like that.