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Charles "Fred" Hearns

Municipal official Charles “Fred” Hearns was born on November 28, 1948 in the Bronx, New York to Grace Tillman Clark and Samuel Hearns. He attended College Hill Elementary School, Booker T. Washington Junior High School and George S. Middleton High School in Tampa, Florida. Hearns went on to receive his B.A. degree in English journalism from the University of South Florida in Tampa in 1970 and his M.A. degree from Springfield College Tampa Bay in 2011. He later obtained his second M.A. degree, this time in African American studies from the University of South Florida in 2014.

In 1970, Hearns briefly worked as a newspaper reporter for the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale, Florida before returning to Tampa to accept a position as general news editor at the Florida Sentinel Bulletin. In 1971, Hearns became the sports information director for Southern University in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He remained there until 1974, when he returned to Tampa to work in the city’s Department of Community Affairs. Hearns worked for the city in this department for over thirty-two years, beginning as a community relations representative and working his way up to director. During his tenure, Hearns worked on several major projects including the reestablishment of his high school alma mater, and as a consultant for the revitalization of the Perry Harvey, Sr. Park project. He was also a founding member of several civic organizations in the city such as the 78th Street Improvement Association, the Ada T. Payne Friends of the Urban Libraries and the Robert W. Saunders Library Foundation, Inc. In 2005, Hearns started his own tourism business, Fred Hearns Tours, LLC, which included both bus and walking tours of Tampa’s African American history. The next year, he wrote an autobiographical book, ‘Getting It Done: Rebuilding Black America Brick By Brick.’ 

Hearns served as president of the local chapter of the Association for the Study of African American Life and History and was a longtime member of the NAACP, the Tampa Urban League and Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc. He also worked as a consultant for the ENCORE housing project in Tampa. Hearns served on the Friends of the Riverwalk committee and on the Florida Advisory Committee of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. In 2014, he was awarded the Robert Saunders Award for Community Service.

Charles “Fred” Hearns was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on September 11, 2018.

Accession Number

A2018.187

Sex

Male

Interview Date

9/11/2018

Last Name

Hearns

Maker Category
Occupation
Organizations
First Name

Charles

Birth City, State, Country

Bronx

HM ID

HEA02

Favorite Season

Thanksgiving

State

New York

Favorite Vacation Destination

New York, New York

Favorite Quote

Friendship Is Essential To The Soul.

Bio Photo
Speakers Bureau Region State

Florida

Birth Date

11/28/1948

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

Tampa

Country

United States of America

Favorite Food

Turkey

Short Description

Municipal official Charles “Fred” Hearns (1948- ) served as director at the City of Tampa, department of community affairs. In 2005, Hearns started his own tourism business and wrote an autobiographical book, ‘Getting It Done: Rebuilding Black America Brick By Brick.’ 

Favorite Color

Purple

The Honorable Peter C. Harvey

Lawyer Peter C. Harvey was born in the Bronx, New York on February 2, 1958 to Lillian Holland Harvey and Reverend Raymond Harvey. In 1948, Harvey’s mother established at the Tuskegee Institute the first baccalaureate degree program in nursing in the State of Alabama.. His father also worked on campus, serving as chaplain of the Tuskegee Institute Chapel. Harvey went on to earn his B.A. degree in political science from Morgan State University in Baltimore, Maryland in 1979, and his J.D. degree from Columbia Law School in New York City in 1982.

After graduation, Harvey was hired as an associate at the New York law firm of Kaye, Scholer, Fierman, Hays and Handler, where he worked on intellectual property litigation cases. In 1986, Harvey joined the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of New Jersey as an assistant United States attorney. From 1986 to 1989, he worked on organized crime and drug trafficking. In 1989, Harvey joined the State of New Jersey Office of the Attorney General. As special assistant to Attorney General Robert Del Tufo, Harvey helped draft a landmark assault weapons regulation bill, which was passed by the New Jersey Legislature and signed into law by Governor Jim Florio in May, 1990. That same year, Harvey returned to private practice as an associate at the law firm of Riker Danzig Scherer Hyland and Perretti LLP. In 2002, he was appointed first assistant attorney general of New Jersey where he directed the Division of Criminal Justice. On July 10, 2003, Harvey was sworn in as the fifty-fourth New Jersey attorney general, becoming the first African American to hold this office. During his three year term, Harvey focused on police reform as well as anti-gang and anti-fraud initiatives. Harvey resigned in 2006 and returned to private practice as a partner at the law firm of Patterson Belknap Webb and Tyler LLP.

Harvey served as an active member of the Morgan State University Alumni Association. In 2012, the university named him alumnus of the year. Harvey has retained memberships in the National Bar Association, American Bar Association and National Association of Attorneys General.

Harvey and his wife, Tammy Ayers Harvey, have three children, Ayana Harvey, David Harvey and Aja Harvey.

Peter C. Harvey was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on June 26, 2018 and March 25, 2019.

Accession Number

A2018.127

Sex

Male

Interview Date

6/26/2018

6/26/2018 |and| 3/25/2019

Last Name

Harvey

Maker Category
Middle Name

C.

Occupation
Schools

Chambliss Children's House at Tuskegee Institute

Tuskegee Institute High School

Boggs Academy

Morgan State University

Columbia Law School

First Name

Peter

Birth City, State, Country

Bronx

HM ID

HAR55

Favorite Season

September

State

New York

Favorite Vacation Destination

Foreign cities with museums, Restaurants, and Wineries.

Favorite Quote

Imagination is sometimes superior to knowledge.

Bio Photo
Speakers Bureau Region State

New York

Birth Date

2/2/1958

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

New York

Favorite Food

Italian, Chinese, Barbeque

Short Description

Lawyer Peter C. Harvey (1958- ) was sworn in on July 10, 2003 as the fifty-fourth New Jersey attorney general, the first African American to hold the office. Prior to that, he worked in the New Jersey Office of Attorney General and the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

Employment

Kaye, Scholer, Fierman, Hays & Handler

U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey

New Jersey

Riker Danzig Scherer Hyland & Perretti LLP

Belknap Webb & Taylor LLP

Favorite Color

Purple

Hansel Tookes II

Corporate executive Hansel E. Tookes II was born on December 11, 1947 in the Bronx, New York to Leona Washington Tookes and Hansel E. “Tootie” Tookes. Tookes’ father was an associate professor of health and physical education at Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University. Tookes earned his B.S. degree in physics from Florida State University in 1969, and received his M.S. degree in aeronautical systems from the University of West Florida in 1971.

Following his graduation from the University of West Florida, Tookes enlisted in the United States Navy. He reached the rank of lieutenant commander and piloted Lockheed P-3 Orions during his military career. Tookes was discharged from the Navy in 1977 and became a pilot for United Airlines. In 1980, Tookes joined Norden Systems, Inc. While working at Norden Systems, Tookes was named as contract project director with the U.S. Navy in 1988. The contract was for a new radar system for the McDonnell Douglas/General Dynamics A-12 Avenger II advanced tactical aircraft. He remained with Norden Systems until 1989, when he accepted a position as vice president of business planning at Hamilton Sunstrand. Tookes later became vice president of support systems at Hamilton Sunstrand, which placed him in charge of customer support for all of the company’s aircraft products. In 1997, Tookes became president of Pratt and Whitney’s government engines division. He joined Raytheon Aircraft Company as president and chief operating officer in 1999. Only a year later, Tookes became chairman and chief executive officer of Raytheon. He retired from Raytheon International, Inc. in 2001.

Tookes served as a board member for Harris Information Technology Services, Inc., FPL Group, Inc., Waypoint Aeronautical Corporation, and Florida State University. Tookes served as a director for Corning, Inc. beginning in 2001, for Ryder System, Inc. since 2002, and for NextEra Energy, Inc. starting in 2005. He also served on the board of directors for the Harris Corporation beginning in 2005. Tookes was the chairperson for the corporation’s governance and corporate responsibility committee in 2001.

Tookes and his wife, Paula Wyche Tookes, have two children, Heather Tookes and Hansel E. Tookes III.

Hansel E. Tookes II was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on August 21, 2017.

Accession Number

A2017.138

Sex

Male

Interview Date

08/22/2017

Last Name

Tookes

Maker Category
Middle Name

E.

Occupation
Organizations
First Name

Hansel

Birth City, State, Country

Bronx

HM ID

TOO02

Favorite Season

Fall

State

New York

Favorite Vacation Destination

Water and family

Favorite Quote

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind ...

Bio Photo
Speakers Bureau Region State

Florida

Birth Date

12/11/1947

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

Palm Beach

Country

United States

Favorite Food

Steak and seafood

Short Description

Corporate executive Hansel E. Tookes II (1948 - ) held executive positions at Norden Systems, Inc., Hamilton Standard, and Pratt and Whitney. After twenty-one years working in the aerospace industry, he retired from Raytheon International, Inc. in 2001.

Favorite Color

Blue

The Honorable Bill Perkins

Political official and activist Bill Perkins was born on April 14, 1944 in the South Bronx neighborhood of New York City. After completing high school preparatory courses at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, Perkins was awarded a full scholarship to attend the elite Collegiate Preparatory School during high school. Following graduation, he received a full scholarship to attend Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, where he earned his B.A. degree in political science in 1972.

After graduating from Brown University, Perkins returned to New York City, where he worked as a social worker and tenant organizer. Encouraged by former Harlem politician, Bill Lynch, Perkins founded the Sojourner Truth Democratic Club as a base for his community activism. In 1998, Perkins was elected to the New York City Council, where he served as deputy majority leader during his seven year tenure. Perkins garnered national attention as an outspoken advocate for progressive issues, including public health, human rights, community services, and education reform. He sponsored the Childhood Lead Paint Poisoning Prevention Act of 2004, and tackled New York City’s rat infestation problem. As an advocate of public education, he also secured funding for scholarships, full-time staffing, and college preparatory courses for the City University of New York (CUNY) system. In 2006, Perkins was elected to the New York State Senate as a representative of New York City’s 30th District, which encompassed Harlem, East Harlem, the Upper West Side, and Washington Heights. Perkins supported raising the minimum wage, reforming the juvenile justice system to prevent minors from being sentenced as adults, setting limits on the solitary confinement of prisoners, and prohibiting eating on subways to minimize the rat population. In 2007, Perkins was the first New York City politician to support presidential hopeful Barack Obama.

After leaving the New York Senate in 2017, Perkins returned to the New York City Council as a representative of the 9th District. He introduced the Patriot Act Resolution in the City Council, and sponsored landmark legislation to protect the rights of gay, lesbian and transgender communities.

Perkins is married to Pamela Green.

Bill Perkins was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on October 26, 2016.

Accession Number

A2016.055

Sex

Male

Interview Date

10/26/2016 |and| 11/10/2016

Last Name

Perkins

Maker Category
Marital Status

Married

Occupation
Schools

Dartmouth College

Brown University

Collegiate School

First Name

Bill

Birth City, State, Country

Bronx

HM ID

PER06

Favorite Season

All Seasons

State

New York

Favorite Vacation Destination

None

Favorite Quote

Your health is your wealth.

Bio Photo
Speakers Bureau Region State

New York

Birth Date

4/14/1944

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

New York

Country

United States

Favorite Food

None

Short Description

Political official and activist Bill Perkins (1944 - ) served on the New York City Council from 1998 to 2005, and the New York State Senate from 2006 to 2017, before returning to the New York City Council.

Employment

Unknown

New York City Council

New York State Senate

Favorite Color

None

Malik Yoba

Actor and youth activist Malik Yoba was born Abdul-Malik Kashie Yoba on September 17, 1967 in the Bronx, New York to Erutan Abdullah Yoba and Mahmoudah Young Lanier. He was raised as a Sunni Muslim in East Harlem. Yoba earned his high school diploma in 1989 from City-As-School in Manhattan, New York.

In 1983, Yoba began working at the Negro Ensemble Theatre in concessions, as an usher, and in other roles. He joined the City Kids Foundation, an arts-education focused youth leadership organization, in 1986, beginning as a volunteer and eventually becoming vice president of the Foundation in 1991. Yoba’s acting career began in 1989 with a small AIDS-education film called Seriously Fresh. In 1991, he landed a starring role in the Disney film Cool Runnings. In 1994, while making an appearance in an episode of Law & Order, Yoba auditioned for a new Fox television police drama called New York Undercover, receiving the lead role of NYPD Detective J. C. Williams. He and his co-star Michael DeLorenzo made history as the first cop-drama featuring actors of color in both leading roles. Yoba went on to star in several television series, such as Bull, Thief, Defying Gravity, Alphas, and Revolution. He also continued his film career, starring in movies like Smoke, CopLand, Soul Food, Why Did I Get Married? and its sequel Why Did I Get Married Too?, and Betty and Coretta. Yoba starred in the David E. Talbert play His Woman, His Wife in 2000, touring the country with the production. In 2011, he began teaching a course entitled “The Working Actor” at Long Island University’s Brooklyn campus. Yoba co-founded and launched iconic32, a lifestyle company and innovation studio, in 2014. That same year, he joined the cast of the Fox series Empire, starring alongside actor Terrence Howard.

In 1994, The New York Times named Yoba one of 30 young artists under the age of 30 who would change American culture in the next thrity years. Yoba was honored with three NAACP Image Awards for Outstanding Actor in a Drama Series in 1996, 1997, and 1998 for his work on New York Undercover. He founded the Malik Yoba Fatherhood Project in 2001, and Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. inducted Yoba as an honorary brother in 2009.

Yoba lives in New York, New York, and has three children, Josiah, Dena, and Pria.

Malik Yoba was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on December 9, 2014.

Accession Number

A2014.262

Sex

Male

Interview Date

12/9/2014

Last Name

Yoba

Maker Category
Occupation
Schools

Hs 560 City-As-School

P.S. 198

P.S. 109 Sedgwick School

Park West High School

Julia Richman High School

First Name

Malik

Birth City, State, Country

Bronx

HM ID

YOB01

Favorite Season

Warm Weather

State

New York

Favorite Vacation Destination

None

Favorite Quote

Lean Not On Your Own Understanding.

Bio Photo
Speakers Bureau Region State

New York

Birth Date

9/17/1967

Birth Place Term
Speakers Bureau Region City

New York

Country

United States

Favorite Food

New York Pizza

Short Description

Actor Malik Yoba (1967 - ) was best known for his roles in the film 'Cool Runnings' and the television series 'New York Undercover' and 'Empire.'

Employment

Negro Ensemble Company

City Kids Foundation

iconic32

Favorite Color

Gray

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DAStories

Tape: 1 Story: 1 - Slating of Malik Yoba's interview

Tape: 1 Story: 2 - Malik Yoba lists his favorites

Tape: 1 Story: 3 - Malik Yoba describes his father's family background

Tape: 1 Story: 4 - Malik Yoba talks about his father's upbringing

Tape: 1 Story: 5 - Malik Yoba recalls his father's conversion to Sunni Islam

Tape: 1 Story: 6 - Malik Yoba describes how his parents met

Tape: 1 Story: 7 - Malik Yoba describes his mother's family background

Tape: 1 Story: 8 - Malik Yoba describes his earliest childhood memories

Tape: 1 Story: 9 - Malik Yoba describes the sights, sounds and smells of his childhood, pt. 1

Tape: 1 Story: 10 - Malik Yoba describes the sights, sounds and smells of his childhood, pt. 2

Tape: 1 Story: 11 - Malik Yoba talks about his family's living arrangements

Tape: 1 Story: 12 - Malik Yoba describes his early experiences of religion

Tape: 1 Story: 13 - Malik Yoba describes the demographics of his neighborhood in the Bronx, New York

Tape: 2 Story: 1 - Malik Yoba talks about the influence of his Sunni Muslim upbringing

Tape: 2 Story: 2 - Malik Yoba describes his home life

Tape: 2 Story: 3 - Malik Yoba describes his siblings' experiences in his father's household

Tape: 2 Story: 4 - Malik Yoba talks about his conversion to Buddhism

Tape: 2 Story: 5 - Malik Yoba describes his mother's influence on his artistic ability

Tape: 2 Story: 6 - Malik Yoba talks about his early education

Tape: 2 Story: 7 - Malik Yoba remembers his early interest in acting

Tape: 2 Story: 8 - Malik Yoba talks about his experiences with diversity in New York City

Tape: 2 Story: 9 - Malik Yoba recalls working for the Negro Ensemble Company

Tape: 3 Story: 1 - Malik Yoba describes his early acting aspirations

Tape: 3 Story: 2 - Malik Yoba describes his early love for the theater

Tape: 3 Story: 3 - Malik Yoba reflects upon his determination to succeed as an actor

Tape: 3 Story: 4 - Malik Yoba talks about his current project, 'From Harlem to Hollywood'

Tape: 3 Story: 5 - Malik Yoba remembers the World Peace Culture Festival in Honolulu, Hawaii

Tape: 3 Story: 6 - Malik Yoba recalls working with The CityKids Foundation, Inc.

Tape: 3 Story: 7 - Malik Yoba talks about his experiences with The CityKids Foundation, Inc. in Los Angeles, California

Tape: 3 Story: 8 - Malik Yoba recalls the celebrity support for The CityKids Foundation, Inc.

Tape: 3 Story: 9 - Malik Yoba remembers landing a role in 'Cool Runnings'

Tape: 3 Story: 10 - Malik Yoba talks about the impact of Buddhism on his career

Tape: 3 Story: 11 - Malik Yoba remembers reconciling with his father

Tape: 3 Story: 12 - Malik Yoba reflects upon the early stages of his film career

Tape: 4 Story: 1 - Malik Yoba remembers Bruce Willis' acting advice

Tape: 4 Story: 2 - Malik Yoba describes his approach to screen acting

Tape: 4 Story: 3 - Malik Yoba remembers joining the cast of 'New York Undercover'

Tape: 4 Story: 4 - Malik Yoba talks about the initial success of 'New York Undercover'

Tape: 4 Story: 5 - Malik Yoba recalls the unfair treatment on the set of 'New York Undercover'

Tape: 4 Story: 6 - Malik Yoba talks about what he learned as an actor

Tape: 4 Story: 7 - Malik Yoba talks about the inspiration for 'New York Undercover'

Tape: 4 Story: 8 - Malik Yoba reflects upon his sudden success as an actor

Tape: 4 Story: 9 - Malik Yoba talks about the lack of mentorship during his early career

Tape: 4 Story: 10 - Malik Yoba reflects upon the prominence of black culture during the 1990s

Tape: 4 Story: 11 - Malik Yoba talks about the importance of therapy

Tape: 4 Story: 12 - Malik Yoba recalls advocating for better working conditions on the set of 'New York Undercover'

Tape: 5 Story: 1 - Malik Yoba talks about the cancellation of 'New York Undercover'

Tape: 5 Story: 2 - Malik Yoba remembers the decline of his career after 'New York Undercover'

Tape: 5 Story: 3 - Malik Yoba talks about Will Smith's acting career

Tape: 5 Story: 4 - Malik Yoba recalls his television roles after 'New York Undercover'

Tape: 5 Story: 5 - Malik Yoba reflects upon his reputation in Hollywood

Tape: 5 Story: 6 - Malik Yoba talks about the challenges of being an actor

Tape: 5 Story: 7 - Malik Yoba remembers meeting and marrying Cat Wilson

Tape: 5 Story: 8 - Malik Yoba talks about his business ventures and charitable work

Tape: 5 Story: 9 - Malik Yoba recalls starring in Tyler Perry's 'Why Did I Get Married?'

Tape: 5 Story: 10 - Malik Yoba describes the plot of the movie 'Why Did I Get Married?'

Tape: 5 Story: 11 - Malik Yoba talks about the television series 'Alphas'

Tape: 6 Story: 1 - Malik Yoba talks about the television show 'Empire'

Tape: 6 Story: 2 - Malik Yoba reflects upon his career

Tape: 6 Story: 3 - Malik reflects upon his life and plans for the future

Tape: 6 Story: 4 - Malik Yoba talks about his spirituality

Tape: 6 Story: 5 - Malik Yoba describes how he would like to be remembered

Tape: 6 Story: 6 - Malik Yoba reflects upon the legacy of his generation

Tape: 6 Story: 7 - Malik Yoba reflects upon the black culture of the 1990s

Tape: 6 Story: 8 - Malik Yoba reflects upon his life's journey

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Malik Yoba remembers landing a role in 'Cool Runnings'
Malik Yoba talks about the initial success of 'New York Undercover'
Transcript
And, then, like I said, I answered that ad one day. Got that job. Forgot about it. Actually, I--well, I did the first job, the first film, and then when I auditioned for 'Cool Runnings,' I just went in, as I had over the years and, didn't really expect much. It was an open call. I was the last person, on the last day. And, I was asked to do some improv. Two months later, I'm at Greenpeace [Greenpeace USA, Chicago, Illinois], at a meeting, and the phone rings and it's Disney [The Walt Disney Company], saying, "We tracked you down." I was like, "How the hell did you get my number?" "Well, we called your office, they told us you were here. And, we need you to fly to L.A. [Los Angeles, California] tomorrow to screen test." And, I thought it was a joke. "No, I have a job. I have to ask my boss." And, so when I, I left the meeting at Greenpeace, went back to my office and asked my boss, "Would it be okay to fly to L.A.," (laughter), "the next day to screen test?" She was like, "Boy, you better get outta here and go au- you know, go screen test." And, that's how I got the movie 'Cool Runnings.'$$So, can you talk about the making of that movie? You said it was somewhat--$$Of 'Cool Runnings'? Yeah. Well, 'Cool Runnings' for me was--the two things in my life early on that really drove home the power of positive thinking and the power of intention; probably three things. But, I used to always wonder what it felt like to get shot. Don't ask why, but I did. As, a kid, I was like what does that feel like? And, I got shot at fifteen. But, I also wanted to go to the Olympics and bobsled. And, when the Lake Placid Olympics [1980 Winter Olympics] happened in New York [Lake Placid, New York] in 1980, I remember looking at the bobsled competition thinking, I wanna do that one day. And, so every time the Olympics come around, I get all passionate. And, one of the reasons why I raced BMX is because in some way a BMX course if like a bobsled course without the jumps. And, I was into the speed and the turns and all that kind of crazy stuff. And, I remember shooting the movie 'Cool Runnings' at Calgary, Calgary Olympic Park [WinSport's Canada Olympic Park, Calgary, Canada] and being at the top of the bobsled run. We had our Jamaican bobsled uniforms on and a lot of the extras in the movies were actually people that were at the Olympics and this is where they actually did the bobsled run. And, I realized that here I was, bobsledding in the Olympic as I, as I wanted to do as a kid. And, that whole period of my life was pretty magical because I wasn't pursuing acting. I was really passionate about working with young people and I was pursuing more music. So, aside from all the stuff I did with CityKids [The CityKids Foundation, Inc., New York, New York], I was also playing my guitar and doing little band stuff, and writing music for the performances that CityKids would do. And, occasionally jump in on stage with them. And, you know, there were a lot of actors that were actively pursuing acting, and I just felt like, I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna run around and have people basically tell me no, all day long. 'Cause I'd see my friends come back and they were pissed off because they didn't get some job. But, with music, I could pick my guitar up and sing in the subway, or in the park, whatever, and that's what I did. I'd do showcases around the city.$'New York Undercover,' it had elements that you knew were special. Like, for me as a kid growing up in New York [New York], one of the things that I always felt when I'd see film that's depicting New York, there was, you know, if there was something inauthentic about the portrayal, it would just like, grate at me. And, so, there were times when I remember saying to myself, I can't wait 'til, like, have the opportunity to, like, represent New York, and--or that street dude in a way that I knew was authentic. And, so, we had that. And, we had the music and, you know, just felt good and, and you can see from very early--from the very first episodes airing just how people responded to it. If felt like it was special. I don't think we knew how special it was until it came out and ran for a couple of years and you saw how it changed people's lives. I mean, there are people who became cops because of that show. Or, the relationship that men had with their sons, or with their kids--their exes, and their baby mamas or whatever. How we gave a platform for musicians. That, you know, at that time, maybe people had Arsenio ['The Arsenio Hall Show'] as a way to be seen, you know, maybe if you can get on BET [Black Entertainment Television] or MTV [Music Television; MTV] at the time. But, we were a platform for people to be seen. For talent in the city, if you were an actor of color, even if you weren't an actor of color, you know, New York City, a lot of actors got a chance to work. And, a lot of actors that came through that show. Like, I'm doing 'Empire' now with Terrence Howard. Terrence Howard was a guest on that show. Where peop- you know, so many people, Mekhi Phifer, and you know, Taye Diggs, and I mean, even Naomi Campbell. Naomi Campbell's on 'Empire' now, you know doing a bit on 'Empire.' And, here we are twenty years later working together again. So, it was, it was a special time. And, personally, you know, I wasn't prepared for what came with that, in terms of the exposure and the adulations and all that stuff. I mean, that definitely took me for a loop, you know. It's very unnatural to be, you know, put out front and center like that and be expected to behave normally.$$Well, you're--first of all, you're in your hometown too.$$Um-hm.$$You know, and, and can you, and you are at this point, you are in your earl- your twenties (simultaneous)?$$(Simultaneous) I'm twenty-six.$$That's, that's very, that's young.$$Yeah. I'm a baby.$$A baby. And--